Jade PF1901, Edouard, Verte Suisse & Terminus

[electricmud]

Doma mám PF a v Hemingwayi jsem zkoušel VS a musím říct, že teď bych už asi šel do VS.
Samozřejmě ideální je varianta mít doma všechny tři.

[Husqvik]

Může mi někdo vysvětlit to celkem evidentní přehlížení Nouvelle Orleans? Prakticky všichni zmiňují, hodnotí nebo ve srovnání uvádějí jen ty tři ostatní Jade absinty. Ani u Martina jsem, za svou krátkou absintovou historii, na Lepší Náladě Nouvelle Orleans nikdy neviděl. Ze začátku jsem žil v domnění, že existuje nějaká novodobá "svatá" trojice Jade Absintů, ale ony jsou nakonec čtyři. Z recenzí mi přijde, že právě Nouvelle Orleans je tak nějak ten nejslabší.

Martine, nechystáš se ho opět někdy nabídnout?

[Martin]

Nouvelle Orleans právě vybočuje z řady tím, že to není replika žádného historického absintu (tak jako PF, VS či Eddy), ale je to "běžný" absinthe. Nebyl by problém ho dát na náladu, ale tím že má stejnou cenu jako repliky, je ve výsledku hodně drahý.
Cenu u replik chápu, ale NO by měl být levnější.
Dojednávám s LdF další nákup (mám skladem poslední 2 láhve od každého) a podmiňuju to větší slevou. Utratil jsem u nich už zatraceně moc peněz a tak to snad vyjde.

[Tibro]

If I create "clones" of the paintings of Degas, Lautrec and Manet, using historically accurate techniques and materials, then sign my name to them so there is no mistake of forgery (although if my intent is to create "clones", that would be a fine line) and, of course, my name so that I reap the glory and profits from my enterprise, then are those "clones" worth more than another work which I create, also benefiting from my knowledge of historical techniques and materials, which is original and independent of the exact works of any preceding work by a named individual?

I would think that the original work has a greater value and that the worth of the "clones" is inherently suspect. Of course, I am also highly suspicious that such an approach (creating "clones") must be based first and foremost on commercial concerns. Some realities are hard to get around.

If you are Degas, Lautrec or Manet, then great. If you're not, then you're not creating their work - you're creating your own. A talented reproduction is still just a reproduction.

[Martin]

OK, not clones but reproductions. But Jades are still damned good reproductions!

[Tibro]

Ted is a talented craftsman who has created very tasty absinthes. No argument there. Do the "reproductions" deserve a higher market price for being marketed as "reproductions"? I don't think so. In fact, since the inception of each of his "reproductions" the evidence, that is the actual liquor in the bottle, suggest that Jade quality is not what it once was. Whether this is because he's trying to cut corners or what, I certainly don't know, but if the quality in the bottle has decreased the price for the bottle hasn't. While at the same time the general level of quality among commercially available absinthe has steadily risen. The top marques now easily rival the quality of the Jades. But nobody else commands the price that Jades do. Anyway, if you think the price of the Jade reproductions is justifiable (I don't) then I think that a Jade original, as NO is, should justify the same price or more. Personally, I'll reward quality (by opening my wallet) but not hype.

[Wajt]

Tibro, perfect summary. I enjoyed PF1901, but I'm sure it's not the best absinthe I've ever tasted. It's perfect absinthe but little bit overpriced in my opinion. If I wanted to pay two thousands for bottle of absinthe, I'd rather order Meadow of Love from the U.S.. On the other hand, I haven't had the older batch, which is said to be better.

[Habu]

Yeah, good points indeed. Though I wouldn't compare old absinthe replicas to paintings or arts in general. It's like if bread was ever banned and then after 100 years allowed again, we wouldn't argue that it's just a reproduction of the original bread. We'll eat it because it tastes good. However Tibro is right about the price. Jades are really too expesive and that may cause a hype.

[Tibro]

Bread is bread. Ted is hyping that he's "reproduced" leading brand-name commodities. Not just absinthe (or some painting), but Berger (Manet). What he claims is not just bringing back a product, but the best examples of that product. That's the hype. VS is not Berger (although it may well be labeled that way when it's released in the USA, if in name only), PF isn't Pernod Fils, Eddy isn't Edouard Pernod. His work is different than what it's meant to mirror. Marketing bullshit, if you ask me.

[Martin]

Právě jsem dostal email z LdF, že v další dodávce dostanu větší slevu a navíc stále platí poštovné zdarma nad 100 liber! Mám sice skladem láhve, které jsem kupoval o 5€ dráž, ale rozhodl jsme se nastavit novou cenu i na ně!
Omlouvám se všem, kteří kupovali Jade ještě za 1950,- ale tak jsem je i nakupoval já Nová cena je ode dneška 1790,-